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I voted. Now I need a shower.
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November 08, 2016, 07:37:39 AM
The title says it all.

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November 08, 2016, 07:47:01 AM
It's those who don't vote that really need the shower. Choices are rarely easy, nor are the candidates perfect. If one was perfect for me, that would mean he/she would be imperfect for nearly everyone else. We just aim for the best path, and sometimes that isn't a straight line.


November 08, 2016, 08:06:43 AM
Agreed. In all honesty, I actually feel pretty good about my choices; maybe it's just the past campaign season that makes me feel the need to clean up.

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November 08, 2016, 01:37:27 PM
I voted a week ago. Oregon uses a mail-in ballot so we don't have to stand in line at the polls.

This campaign has been disgusting. So many people are ignoring the facts and just repeating lies, rumors and innuendos. Can democracy survive in such an irresponsible and negative environment?


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November 09, 2016, 04:25:23 AM
It's not a lie if you'd like it to be true. At least that seems to be the prevailing mentality.

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November 09, 2016, 07:07:26 AM
Well, now it's official. What I have long suspected has now been proven. The majority of Americans are morons.


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November 09, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
Well, perhaps. (Are you talking about the popular vote morons, which she won, though only just, or the electoral vote morons, which he won?)

But on the other hand, I can understand the frustration with 'business as usual', which has done nothing to help with disappearing manufacturing jobs, the slow-but-steady extinction of small towns. and other sources of "I don't feel represented". The resentment is natural. I just don't think the response was helpful to anyone except the winner of the election.

Of course, nothing would please (or surprise) me more than to have our president-elect turn out to be an even-handed, thoughtful shepherd for the rights and well-being of ALL Americans.
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25 years with DesignCAD

November 09, 2016, 11:20:38 AM
I had my shower, and when I looked again, he was still there...

Yeah, for sure a huge surprise for us north of the border, seems you can insult and degrade people, and they ask for more of the same.

I'm also at this point hoping to be at least a bit pleasantly surprised, but unfortunately from here this looks a lot like a brand new version being released to everyone at the same time half done with no alpha or beta testing ....

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* November 09, 2016, 02:58:46 PM
Rode my bike through the brushless car wash. Feeling much better now.

Too much analysis going on here. Two simple reasons he won. 1) Only one president in the last century has seen a candidate from his own party succeed him in office. 2) Everybody hates Hillary.

My guess is, if we could survive 8 years of W, the next 2 years should be a cake walk.


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November 09, 2016, 05:56:34 PM
I think it had a lot to do with all the free publicity he got from greedy scandal-obsessed media every time he said or did something stupid disgusting or otherwise.

Start rant:

I'm not sure how anyone who underwent several bankruptcies ( leaving subtrades, suppliers, workmen and possibly even draftsmen unpaid) and appears to be proud of this achievement, can even be qualified to run for president, never mind be elected, as the businessman who might improve the economy.  People used to be ashamed of such failures.

Maybe this will be accomplished by USA itself declaring bankruptcy!!!

I don't see how any reasonable moral citizen male or female can bring themselves to vote for someone who could not deny making the remarks about women and etc that he was attributed, never mind some of the things he was accused of doing.

end rant.

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* November 09, 2016, 06:08:07 PM
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Trump Won Because Leftist Political Correctness Inspired a Terrifying Backlash
What every liberal who didn't see this coming needs to understand
Robby Soave• Nov. 9, 2016 8:01 am
 J. Conrad Williams Jr./TNS/NewscomMany will say Trump won because he successfully capitalized on blue collar workers' anxieties about immigration and globalization. Others will say he won because America rejected a deeply unpopular alternative. Still others will say the country is simply racist to its core.
But there's another major piece of the puzzle, and it would be a profound mistake to overlook it. Overlooking it was largely the problem, in the first place.
Trump won because of a cultural issue that flies under the radar and remains stubbornly difficult to define, but is nevertheless hugely important to a great number of Americans: political correctness.
More specifically, Trump won because he convinced a great number of Americans that he would destroy political correctness.
I have tried to call attention to this issue for years. I have warned that political correctness actually is a problem on college campuses, where the far-left has gained institutional power and used it to punish people for saying or thinking the wrong thing. And ever since Donald Trump became a serious threat to win the GOP presidential primaries, I have warned that a lot of people, both on campus and off it, were furious about political-correctness-run-amok—so furious that they would give power to any man who stood in opposition to it.
I have watched this play out on campus after campus. I have watched dissident student groups invite Milo Yiannopoulos to speak—not because they particularly agree with his views, but because he denounces censorship and undermines political correctness. I have watched students cheer his theatrics, his insulting behavior, and his narcissism solely because the enforcers of campus goodthink are outraged by it. It's not about his ideas, or policies. It's not even about him. It's about vengeance for social oppression.
Trump has done to America what Yiannopoulos did to campus. This is a view Yiannopoulos shares. When I spoke with him about Trump's success months ago, he told me, "Nobody votes for Trump or likes Trump on the basis of policy positions. That's a misunderstanding of what the Trump phenomenon is."
He described Trump as "an icon of irreverent resistance to political correctness." Correctly, I might add.
What is political correctness? It's notoriously hard to define. I recently appeared on a panel with CNN's Sally Kohn, who described political correctness as being polite and having good manners. That's fine—it can mean different things to different people. I like manners. I like being polite. That's not what I'm talking about.
The segment of the electorate who flocked to Trump because he positioned himself as "an icon of irreverent resistance to political correctness" think it means this: smug, entitled, elitist, privileged leftists jumping down the throats of ordinary folks who aren't up-to-date on the latest requirements of progressive society.
Example: A lot of people think there are only two genders—boy and girl. Maybe they're wrong. Maybe they should change that view. Maybe it's insensitive to the trans community. Maybe it even flies in the face of modern social psychology. But people think it. Political correctness is the social force that holds them in contempt for that, or punishes them outright.
If you're a leftist reading this, you probably think that's stupid. You probably can't understand why someone would get so bent out of shape about being told their words are hurtful. You probably think it's not a big deal and these people need to get over themselves. Who's the delicate snowflake now, huh? you're probably thinking. I'm telling you: your failure to acknowledge this miscalculation and adjust your approach has delivered the country to Trump.
There's a related problem: the boy-who-cried-wolf situation. I was happy to see a few liberals, like Bill Maher, owning up to it. Maher admitted during a recent show that he was wrong to treat George Bush, Mitt Romney, and John McCain like they were apocalyptic threats to the nation: it robbed him of the ability to treat Trump more seriously. The left said McCain was a racist supported by racists, it said Romney was a racist supported by racists, but when an actually racist Republican came along—and racists cheered him—it had lost its ability to credibly make that accusation.
This is akin to the political-correctness-run-amok problem: both are examples of the left's horrible over-reach during the Obama years. The leftist drive to enforce a progressive social vision was relentless, and it happened too fast. I don't say this because I'm opposed to that vision—like most members of the under-30 crowd, I have no problem with gender neutral pronouns—I say this because it inspired a backlash that gave us Trump.
My liberal critics rolled their eyes when I complained about political correctness. I hope they see things a little more clearly now. The left sorted everyone into identity groups and then told the people in the poorly-educated-white-male identity group that that's the only bad one. It mocked the members of this group mercilessly. It punished them for not being woke enough. It called them racists. It said their video games were sexist. It deployed Lena Dunham to tell them how horrible they were. Lena Dunham!
I warned that political-correctness-run-amok and liberal overreach would lead to a counter-revolution if unchecked. That counter-revolution just happened.
There is a cost to depriving people of the freedom (in both the legal and social senses) to speak their mind. The presidency just went to the guy whose main qualification, according to his supporters, is that he isn't afraid to speak his.

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November 09, 2016, 06:25:49 PM
I agree with most of that, and it may well be a big part of the phenomenon.

But I still think appointing a bigot to fix a different kind of bigotry is unlikely to succeed.

My favorite of all time was when some local school boards were agonizing themselves to death over how to deal with bathroom privileges for all the different genders of humans which now apparently exist, and the possible consequences of allowing one or the other into the wrong establishment.   Anyone know without googling what all of the following are "LGBTQIAPK" in addition to the original "MF"?

One guy ( who may well have joined Trumps support team) put it rather well - If you have a willie, you go here, and if you have a wilma you go there, end of story!

I would have liked to see the icons for the doors that he was proposing to install.

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November 10, 2016, 03:51:55 AM
Well, there's hope yet. Maybe those electoral college guys would vote Bernie Saunders in



November 12, 2016, 07:43:35 AM
What I find most interesting is that both major political parties have failed.

I have followed George Will's philippics about Trump. Will is the voice of the old guard Republicans and he has ranted about Trump, even urging Republicans to vote for anyone else. Trump gave the finger to Will and his ilk and put the party in shambles. So now the question is what will happen to the Republican party? There surely will be a lot of infighting and chaos.

The Democrats failed to counter all the lies, half truths and innuendos about Clinton. But the real problem is that Clinton is old guard Democrat. It may be that they could have selected anyone else and that person would have beaten Trump. I'm not sure Sanders was electable - he might have failed worse than Clinton. So the Democrats also have to change and that could be chaotic.

In the mean time there is a big political vacuum and the outcome is unpredictable.


Of course it is the Tea Party that caused all of this mess. Their "just say no to everything" policy has made government ineffective and more inefficient than ever. The taxpayers are spending a lot of money keeping the government going but we aren't getting anything for our money. And that has everyone pissed off with the system and the parties.

And the funding and coordination for the Tea Party is coming from those who have the most to gain from a dysfunctional government. The main function of government is to protect the less powerful population from those with more power, wealth and influence. That is what all of our laws are for. They are supposed to prevent exploitation of people, protect the environment we live in, prevent price rigging, and allow a free economy to function. There are a lot of people who consider you and me to be a resource that can be exploited. Many want to pillage the natural resources with no thought for the future. They don't care if they make the planet uninhabitable for future generations as long as they can profit now.

These influential people have failed to eliminate the laws that prevent them from taking everything for themselves, so they are using a different tactic. Deprive government of funding. Without funding government cannot enforce the laws. So the rich have created a myth that government is the problem and promoted a taxpayer rebellion to reduce taxes to the point that government cannot work. Then there will be no protection for the poor and unrestricted exploitation by the rich.

We had a revolution to kick out the kings. But now we have a whole host of greedy, self-anointed kings - the billionaires who run the economy for their gain and control the news media and political parties. Their intent is to create a new feudalism where the greediest own everything and the rest of us are serfs. And they are succeeding. Now the gullible dupes in this country have anointed one of those kings as President.

Our revolution has failed.


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November 13, 2016, 12:23:24 AM
I couldn't have said it any where near as well myself.

Now what can we do about it, besides conducting ourselves in a fair and reasonable manner in spite of the lack of laws or enforcement to make us do so?????

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